[Tweeters] Edison eagle extravaganza

[Kevin Lucas via Tweeters]

Deli,
Thank you for your great response.
Sincerely,
Kevin Lucas
Yakima County, WA

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On January 21, 2025 5:01:57 PM Deli Kiz <delikiz at gmail.com> wrote:


> If you read what I wrote I first said “if they were reaponsible hunters…” I

> come from an extended family of responsible hunters, I know what they look

> like.

> I know not a single hunter I associate with would put out any of their

> ducks (or other game) for the eagles to get - whole or trimmed. They

> understand the risk and all. Im sure you do too as a responsible hunter.

>

> I stick with my original statement. We need to consider who would be doing

> this before we jump to conclusions about anyone giving pause.

>

> I wont even say a thing about some of the bird listers. There are too many

> of them who get an earful from me because they get too close to a bird or

> do any of those sub-intelligence things you mention all in the name of

> “loving and knowing”’birds. One of these days we’ll all understand how to

> protect what we love. Somehow Im still hopeful.

>

> Thanks,

> DK

>

>

> On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 2:31 PM Kevin Lucas <vikingcove at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> I am sure there is a chance of most hunters giving pause, fortunately.

>> If anything, I don't think hunters would "think it cool."

>>

>> All of the hunters I've encountered while I've been a bird watcher have

>> been courteous, freely shared with me their sightings of interest, been

>> perfectly respectful of property rights, have been law abiding, and have

>> been honest. Unlike school bus drivers and many non-hunters, and one local

>> competitive bird lister, hunters have NEVER driven very close past me

>> at high speed throwing up rocks and clouds of dust while I scoped from the

>> roadside on a gravel road. Three days ago a hunter drove past me very

>> slowly, giving me great distance, then watched me for a while before

>> approaching and courteously asking what I was doing and whether it would

>> bother me if he went into the property to suss out his location for the

>> next day's hunt. He explained he had the appropriate permissions and permit

>> for that precise location the following day, but really didn't want to

>> disturb me. That's par for the course for my interactions with hunters as a

>> bird watcher.

>>

>> As a hunter, I was trained well and tested rigorously in order to get my

>> licenses. My trainers took their jobs seriously. I took my responsibility

>> seriously as a student, then as a hunter.

>>

>> I've had competitive bird listers describe to me how and where they

>> trespass & how they falsify eBird location reports to hide their

>> trespassing, had them walk past me and flush birds I was actively and

>> obviously observing, and had one try (& fail) to talk me into trespassing

>> onto closed Yakama Nation Land on the Yakima Christmas Bird Count for which

>> he was the official coordinator for years.

>> Yet I don't presume all competitive bird listers wouldn't give pause or

>> would "think it cool" to variously act illegally or unethically or in a

>> manner harmful to birds.

>>

>> I've repeatedly watched and heard two local prominent competitive birders

>> use loud playback and loud predator call imitations to harass rare birds

>> into view. Their bad behavior set the bar for me until I read and thought

>> about how distressing it must be for birds, and until I had a couple of

>> separate descriptions by bird enthusiast researchers on how and why they

>> limit their use of playback to the minimum required for their study for

>> one, and use absolutely no playback for the other. Their discussions and

>> good examples changed my behavior for the better.

>>

>> Some who act badly won't change. Some will. There are a lot of good eggs

>> out there, both hunters and competitive bird listers.

>>

>> Respectfully,

>> Kevin Lucas

>> Yakima, Washington

>>

>> *Qui tacet consentire videtur*

>>

>>

>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 1:43 PM Deli Kiz via Tweeters <

>> tweeters at u.washington.edu> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> If they were responsible hunters they wouldn't have the excess, not sure

>>> dying bald eagles are going to stop them. If anything they'd likely think

>>> it's cool - two birds one stone for them. They don't like that the bald

>>> eagles are actually out there getting "their" ducks, salmon, etc. in the

>>> first place. Not sure there is a chance of anyone giving pause

>>> unfortunately.

>>>

>>> Cheers,

>>> Deli Kiz

>>>

>>>

>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 1:30 PM Diann MacRae via Tweeters <

>>> tweeters at u.washington.edu> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Hi, Tweets

>>>>

>>>> I cannot imagine anything so egregious considering HPAI (bird flu) being

>>>> rampant in so many areas. Certainly duck hunters know enough to dispose of

>>>> what they don't want properly. It may be nice for photographs but just

>>>> watch something like a bald eagle or other raptor die from bird flu and

>>>> maybe it will give one pause.

>>>>

>>>> Cheers, Diann

>>>>

>>>> Diann MacRae

>>>> Olympic Vulture Study

>>>> 22622 - 53rd Avenue S.E.

>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/22622+-+53rd+Avenue+S.E.+%0D%0ABothell,+WA+98021?entry=gmail&source=g>

>>>> Bothell, WA 98021

>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/22622+-+53rd+Avenue+S.E.+%0D%0ABothell,+WA+98021?entry=gmail&source=g>

>>>> tvulture at gmx.com

>>>>

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