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<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">Deli,<br>
Thank you for your great response.<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Kevin Lucas<br>
Yakima County, WA</p>
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style="color: black; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; margin: 10pt 0;">On
January 21, 2025 5:01:57 PM Deli Kiz <delikiz@gmail.com> wrote:</p>
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<div dir="auto">If you read what I wrote I first said “if they were
reaponsible hunters…” I come from an extended family of responsible
hunters, I know what they look like. </div><div dir="auto">I know not a
single hunter I associate with would put out any of their ducks (or other
game) for the eagles to get - whole or trimmed. They understand the risk
and all. Im sure you do too as a responsible hunter. </div><div
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I stick with my original statement. We
need to consider who would be doing this before we jump to conclusions
about anyone giving pause. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div
dir="auto">I wont even say a thing about some of the bird listers. There
are too many of them who get an earful from me because they get too close
to a bird or do any of those sub-intelligence things you mention all in the
name of “loving and knowing”’birds. One of these days we’ll all understand
how to protect what we love. Somehow Im still hopeful. </div><div
dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks,</div><div
dir="auto">DK </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 21, 2025
at 2:31 PM Kevin Lucas <<a
href="mailto:vikingcove@gmail.com">vikingcove@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I am sure
there is a chance of most hunters giving pause, fortunately.</div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">If anything, I don't
think hunters would "think it cool."</div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">All of the hunters I've
encountered while I've been a bird watcher have been courteous, freely
shared with me their sightings of interest, been perfectly respectful of
property rights, have been law abiding, and have been honest. Unlike school
bus drivers and many non-hunters, and one local competitive bird lister,
hunters have NEVER driven very close past me at high speed throwing up
rocks and clouds of dust while I scoped from the roadside on a gravel road.
Three days ago a hunter drove past me very slowly, giving me great
distance, then watched me for a while before approaching and courteously
asking what I was doing and whether it would bother me if he went into the
property to suss out his location for the next day's hunt. He explained
he had the appropriate permissions and permit for that precise location
the following day, but really didn't want to disturb me. That's par
for the course for my interactions with hunters as a bird
watcher.</div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:large">As a hunter, I was trained well and tested
rigorously in order to get my licenses. My trainers took their jobs
seriously. I took my responsibility seriously as a student, then as a
hunter.</div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:large">I've had competitive bird listers describe to
me how and where they trespass & how they falsify eBird location
reports to hide their trespassing, had them walk past me and flush birds I
was actively and obviously observing, and had one try (& fail) to talk
me into trespassing onto closed Yakama Nation Land on the Yakima Christmas
Bird Count for which he was the official coordinator for years.</div><div
class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Yet I don't presume all
competitive bird listers wouldn't give pause or would "think it
cool" to variously act illegally or unethically or in a manner harmful
to birds.</div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:large">I've repeatedly watched and heard two local
prominent competitive birders use loud playback and loud predator
call imitations to harass rare birds into view. Their bad behavior set the
bar for me until I read and thought about how distressing it must be for
birds, and until I had a couple of separate descriptions by bird enthusiast
researchers on how and why they limit their use of playback to the minimum
required for their study for one, and use absolutely no playback for the
other. Their discussions and good examples changed my behavior for the
better.</div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:large">Some who act badly won't change. Some will.
There are a lot of good eggs out there, both hunters and competitive bird
listers. </div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:large">Respectfully,</div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:large">Kevin Lucas</div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-size:large">Yakima, Washington</div><br
clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"
data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><b><font size="6"
style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span
style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(95,99,104)">Qui tacet
consentire</span><span
style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(77,81,86)"> videtur</span></font></b></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 21, 2025
at 1:43 PM Deli Kiz via Tweeters <<a
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target="_blank">tweeters@u.washington.edu</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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dir="ltr"><div><br></div>If they were responsible hunters they wouldn't
have the excess, not sure dying bald eagles are going to stop them. If
anything they'd likely think it's cool - two birds one stone for
them. They don't like that the bald eagles are actually out there
getting "their" ducks, salmon, etc. in the first place. Not sure
there is a chance of anyone giving pause
unfortunately.<br><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Deli
Kiz</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"
class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 1:30 PM Diann MacRae via
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style="font-family:Verdana">Hi, Tweets</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">I cannot imagine anything so egregious
considering HPAI (bird flu) being rampant in so many areas. Certainly duck
hunters know enough to dispose of what they don't want properly. It may
be nice for photographs but just watch something like a bald eagle or other
raptor die from bird flu and maybe it will give one pause.</div>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Cheers, Diann<br>
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<div style="font-family:Verdana">Diann MacRae<br>
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