<div dir="auto">Simplifications in articles like this is what creates the divide as “pro energy” or “anti-energy”.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Similar arguments are used with the 4 Lower Snake River Dams (LSRDs) turning a very important and nuanced discussion about “how do we save wild chinook salmon and southern resident orca” to you’re either pro-energy or a hippie who wants everyone to live in caves so the salmon and black fish can survive. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As Scott points out some details are missing in the article, one being the conservation status of affected birds. Does that mean we cannot have wind or solar power? No. It means we need to do better and find solutions with our ever evolving human intelligence where we can have both without trying to downplay a very real human survival story. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">By the way, the LSRDs, as with majority of dams in the US, were built in the 60s and 70s using the technology we had back then. Name one other technology we still use today from the 70s and have industry dig in their heels that they can’t do better? </div><div dir="auto">Cars? Radio? Planes? Maybe telephones? ☎️ </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">No the only other “technology” that hasnt changed in the US only is rail. And we are way behind compared to other countries in that too. Lets keep wind and solar on the side of true “green” energy and unlike dams avoid having to describe something so damaging to entire ecosystems as “green.” </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Let’s aim to do better and find solutions rather than denying that we are observing an impact on wildlife we can very well prevent with just better engineering. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Deli K</div><div dir="auto">Coastal PNW</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 22, 2026 at 9:31 AM Scott Downes via Tweeters <<a href="mailto:tweeters@u.washington.edu">tweeters@u.washington.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">Regarding bird and bat fatalities at wind farms, unfortunately the article makes a very simplistic conclusion, that all birds and bat populations are the similar. We know that’s not true. While some fatalities are of more common birds (Horned Lark is a very common fatality at wind farms in the Columbia Plateau), other species such as Ferruginous Hawk or Golden Eagle are in a population status that even one or two fatalities can drastically affect the population. Bats are similar, both Hoary and Silver-haired Bats are the most common fatalities at Washington facilities and given their low fecundity, wind farms were listed as a threat to their populations in the Washington State Wildlife Action Plan (SWAP). <a href="https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/at-risk/swap" target="_blank">https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/at-risk/swap</a><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately this piece reads more like they are trying to convince readers than provide them with detailed facts, which in the case of wind and solar effects on wildlife is a very detailed and nuanced subject. For solar they focus on fatalities, yet their size and location, impacting wildlife connectivity and habitat impacts are a far larger issue in areas such as Washington and Oregon.<br><div><br></div><div><br id="m_-6612292170060103034lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Scott Downes<div><a href="mailto:Downess@charter.net" target="_blank">Downess@charter.net</a></div><div>Yakima Wa</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 22, 2026, at 3:03 AM, Dan Reiff via Tweeters <<a href="mailto:tweeters@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">tweeters@u.washington.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br><strong>Do windmills kill birds? Fact checking clean energy myths.</strong><br>Some objections to wind and solar farms are matters of opinion. Others are based on false information. 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