<div dir="auto">If you read what I wrote I first said “if they were reaponsible hunters…” I come from an extended family of responsible hunters, I know what they look like. </div><div dir="auto">I know not a single hunter I associate with would put out any of their ducks (or other game) for the eagles to get - whole or trimmed. They understand the risk and all. Im sure you do too as a responsible hunter. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I stick with my original statement. We need to consider who would be doing this before we jump to conclusions about anyone giving pause. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I wont even say a thing about some of the bird listers. There are too many of them who get an earful from me because they get too close to a bird or do any of those sub-intelligence things you mention all in the name of “loving and knowing”’birds. One of these days we’ll all understand how to protect what we love. Somehow Im still hopeful. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks,</div><div dir="auto">DK </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 2:31 PM Kevin Lucas <<a href="mailto:vikingcove@gmail.com">vikingcove@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I am sure there is a chance of most hunters giving pause, fortunately.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">If anything, I don't think hunters would "think it cool."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">All of the hunters I've encountered while I've been a bird watcher have been courteous, freely shared with me their sightings of interest, been perfectly respectful of property rights, have been law abiding, and have been honest. Unlike school bus drivers and many non-hunters, and one local competitive bird lister, hunters have NEVER driven very close past me at high speed throwing up rocks and clouds of dust while I scoped from the roadside on a gravel road. Three days ago a hunter drove past me very slowly, giving me great distance, then watched me for a while before approaching and courteously asking what I was doing and whether it would bother me if he went into the property to suss out his location for the next day's hunt. He explained he had the appropriate permissions and permit for that precise location the following day, but really didn't want to disturb me. That's par for the course for my interactions with hunters as a bird watcher.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">As a hunter, I was trained well and tested rigorously in order to get my licenses. My trainers took their jobs seriously. I took my responsibility seriously as a student, then as a hunter.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I've had competitive bird listers describe to me how and where they trespass & how they falsify eBird location reports to hide their trespassing, had them walk past me and flush birds I was actively and obviously observing, and had one try (& fail) to talk me into trespassing onto closed Yakama Nation Land on the Yakima Christmas Bird Count for which he was the official coordinator for years.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Yet I don't presume all competitive bird listers wouldn't give pause or would "think it cool" to variously act illegally or unethically or in a manner harmful to birds.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I've repeatedly watched and heard two local prominent competitive birders use loud playback and loud predator call imitations to harass rare birds into view. Their bad behavior set the bar for me until I read and thought about how distressing it must be for birds, and until I had a couple of separate descriptions by bird enthusiast researchers on how and why they limit their use of playback to the minimum required for their study for one, and use absolutely no playback for the other. Their discussions and good examples changed my behavior for the better.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Some who act badly won't change. Some will. There are a lot of good eggs out there, both hunters and competitive bird listers. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Respectfully,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Kevin Lucas</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Yakima, Washington</div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><b><font size="6" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(95,99,104)">Qui tacet consentire</span><span style="font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(77,81,86)"> videtur</span></font></b></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 1:43 PM Deli Kiz via Tweeters <<a href="mailto:tweeters@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">tweeters@u.washington.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>If they were responsible hunters they wouldn't have the excess, not sure dying bald eagles are going to stop them. If anything they'd likely think it's cool - two birds one stone for them. They don't like that the bald eagles are actually out there getting "their" ducks, salmon, etc. in the first place. Not sure there is a chance of anyone giving pause unfortunately.<br><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Deli Kiz</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 1:30 PM Diann MacRae via Tweeters <<a href="mailto:tweeters@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">tweeters@u.washington.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:12px"><div style="font-family:Verdana">Hi, Tweets</div>
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