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Carmelo<span
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Birding should be apolitical and not subject to the whims of
what appears to be a cancel culture movement within the AOS.
Messing with either the nomenclature or taxonomy, unless you
are going to subdivide a species, makes it appear that this is
the case. If it walks like a duck...<br>
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FWIW I have been subscribed to Tweeters for about 25 years as
an active participant or a lurker. There are occasional
blowups on the listserv that can occur over controversial
issues and unless things degenerate into ad hominem attacks
they usually blow over.<br>
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guess if one can't agree to disagree then leaving is the only
option. Maybe "</span></span></span>"shut up and bird"" really
is the way to go.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2024-06-27 5:23 a.m., Carmelo
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<div dir="ltr">I'm not 100% sure what your intention was when
you sent this response to <span
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message. However, it is an operant example of being tone
deaf. At this point, several people on this listserv who
oppose the AOS name changes have stated they don't
understand why it's important (because they're only looking
at it through the lens of their own personal experience). <span></span></span></div>
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it not <span>being <span
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responsibility to explain it for (or justify it to)
others, they have taken the time to do so, along with
naming the impact it has had on them. Replying in this
way is not helpful. Regardless of what your intention
was when you clicked send, it reads as dismissive of <span
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message, while at the <span>same time driving their
point home even more. </span></span><span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding
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All<br>
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To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln<br>
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You can please all the people some of the time, and some of
the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people
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Sounds to me like there's going to be a lot of displeased
people along with a ton of people who don't really care for
what ever reason. So just how many people are going to be
really pleased by this exercise in inclusivity and
respectfulness? At least until they have to run out and buy
new birding books.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2024-06-26 2:46 p.m., Aadu
Prakash via Tweeters wrote:</div>
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<div style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Longtime
lurker, but felt the need to write in. I'm a 31 y.o Indian
American who has been birding for 25 years. Throughout my
life, I've met many wonderful people who have welcomed me
into the world of birding/ornithology. But on the flipside,
I have often felt like the odd one out in many of the
communities I participated in.</div>
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<div style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">It's
disappointing that the discourse around changing eponymous
bird names is being shut down. Almost like we're being told
to "shut up and bird". I applaud folks like Steve and
Carmelo who bring up reasons why this is an important
initiative, and how it can lead to more diversity and
inclusion in the birding world.</div>
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<div style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Many
underrepresented groups are faced with the task of
"terraforming" the communities they engage with. They have
to put in serious work to make these communities "habitable"
for them. But through censorship and lack of support from
leadership, they often burnout and disappear into the
background (or leave the group altogether). </div>
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<div style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">From
Carmelo's Op-Ed:</div>
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"Human beings at the AOS have committed their time, money,
and resources toward this endeavor for the last several
years. They’ve clearly stated an intention to actively
involve the public in the process of selecting new bird
names, as well as including a diverse representation of
individuals with expertise in the social sciences,
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<div style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> These
people are actively trying to "terraform" our birding
community in a way that is inclusive and respectful to us
all. They should be supported, not shot down. Otherwise
things will largely stay the same.</div>
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<div style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I
plan on unsubscribing from Tweeters and hope that the work
is put into making this a more inclusive community that can
attract AND retain folks from underrepresented communities.</div>
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<div style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Best,</div>
<div style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Aadithya
(Aadu) Prakash</div>
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