<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Hal, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Thank you for the additional details, which are important in conveying the true sense of the name. Indigenous humor is often far more edgy than in Victorian-influenced cultures. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Joseph Pitawanakwat, an Ojibwe botanist and birder, shares quite a few Anishinaabe names that are onomatopoeias that have double (or even triple) meanings, usually mimicking the bird's call using words connected to their appearance and/or habitat. So this Hawaiian example has company in that regard. Nothing so edgy or humorous though. Joseph himself is very enjoyable and funny. I've linked one of his Zoom presentations on YouTube at the bottom of an older blog post of mine about Indigenous bird names today (e.g. condor, tanager, sora, ani). </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><a href="https://memoriesofthepeople.blog/2022/08/25/indigenous-bird-names-today/">https://memoriesofthepeople.blog/2022/08/25/indigenous-bird-names-today/</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)">The direct link to Joseph's presentation is here: </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osUBUXf5Fjs">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osUBUXf5Fjs</a><br><br>good birding, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 4:44 PM HAL MICHAEL <<a href="mailto:ucd880@comcast.net">ucd880@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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Per H. Douglas Pratt in The Hawaiian Honeycreepers Drepanidinae; part of Bird Families of the World.
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"Hawaiian name often considered simply onomatopoeic (Berlin and VanGelder 1999), but that does not explain why early naturalists create and English name for this sp. alone when valid Hawaiian one available. Hawaiians had sense of humour and loved puns; name includes <em>kohe</em>= vagina (Pukui and Elbert 1971), allusion to resemblance of bird's crest to pubic hair, apparently too much for Victorian sensibilities".
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<span><span>Hal Michael<br><span style="font-size:12pt">Board of Directors, </span><a style="font-size:12pt" href="http://ecowb.org/" target="_blank">Ecologists Without Borders</a></span></span>
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The "Birds of the World" species accounts offer detailed information on just about every aspect of every species. Access to this online resource is complimentary with membership in the Washington Ornithological Society. From the account for ʻAkohekohe:
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Many thought provoking views and varying points along our individual 'perches' of our life spectrums.
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Based on Hal Michael's mention of the Hawaiian name Akohekohe selected for the previous English used Crested Honeycreeper, with the meaning being female genitalia, what do we know about how that name came to be used? Was it merely descriptive, derogatory or empowering? Doubtful that we will ever sort that out. Likely it will be used for any one of those, depending on the intention and the perception of the receiver.
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Our world is rounded, with billions of points of view. I do enjoy the bird's-eye one whether I will ever understand it or not.
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Laurel Parshall in Gig Harbor/Key Peninsula kehlilanasnan at Yahoo the dot com-place
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