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and Black Cottonwoods are all Nitrogen fixers. Red Cedar, Hemlock and</div>
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1. Re: Grieve or protest if you can muster the spirit, but don't<br>
plant Conifers (Ed Newbold) (Michael Scuderi)<br>
2. Still white pelicans deer lagoon (davearm@uw.edu)<br>
3. Bob Heirman Wildlife Park (Martha Jordan)<br>
4. Upcoming presentation about Bob Heirman Wildlife Park<br>
restoration efforts (Brian Zinke)<br>
5. WOS Monthly Meeting, Oct. 3, 7:30 pm, Unexpected Population<br>
Trends in Panamanian Rainforest Birds: Complex Webs (meetings@wos.org)<br>
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 19:45:39 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: Michael Scuderi <cotinga777@yahoo.com><br>
To: "tweeters@u.washington.edu" <tweeters@u.washington.edu><br>
Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Grieve or protest if you can muster the<br>
spirit, but don't plant Conifers (Ed Newbold)<br>
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Connie,<br>
First off, let me say that I am grateful for you efforts to protect the Fill.? Without your advocacy, there would be a less diverse area for us to enjoy,<br>
Having said that, I have to agree with Ed about the conifers. When I worked in the restoration business, we often had this debate about conifers or deciduous trees. On big rivers you wanted to see more conifers because they added large woody debris to water
courses where it was severely lacking. However, in more riparian areas, cottonwood, willow and alder usually dominate and if you look at Government Land Office records from the md-1800s you will see a number of references to deciduous trees in riparian?areas
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So replanting a mix of conifers and deciduous would be what I would recommend. Cottonwood is a great go to tree but park people hate them because they drop limbs unexpectedly.? So Big leaf maple would be a good choice if the ground is not too wet. Willows?are
another good tree, but again?park managers typically?don't like them because they create a dense understory?which hides views of illicit activity.? Red Alder might work instead with an understory of snowberry..? For conifers,. Sitka spruce is a great choice
if the soil conditions allow it (wet)..? If you plan on planting Western red cedar, that needs to be done after an overstory is created since young cedar do not do well in full sun (typically?greater than 50% mortality)..<br>
That's my unsolicited two cents.? But in the end, no matter what is done, any trees being planted will be better than nothing being done.? Working?on parklike areas is tricky. You might want to contact the city?of Montlake Terrace to see what they are doing
in a similar situation at Lake Ballinger Park.?<br>
Let us know how we can continue?to help you in advocating for restoration on Union Bay.<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Mike?Scuderi<br>
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 15:20:56 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: Ed Newbold <ednewbold1@yahoo.com><br>
To: Tweeters Tweeters <tweeters@u.washington.edu><br>
Subject: [Tweeters] Grieve or protest if you can muster the spirit,<br>
??? but don't plant Conifers<br>
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Dear Connie and Tweeters,<br>
Thanks Connie for the early warning of this unfortunate decision to remove Cottonwoods from Union Bay.<br>
Connie Sidles you are a great hero and I have witnessed the effects of your dynamic leadership of course around Union Bay but also at Cheasty Greenbelt where there is now a birder-presence on an organized monthly basis. Thank you Connie!<br>
As for the grove, this is terribly sad--yet another injury to the Natural World that has taken so many. It turns upside down the trope of kids loving Nature and protecting it from the old folks--Although I doubt the kids have been polled as to whether they
really want this.<br>
But I have one quibble. I think the restoration movement has gone berserk over-planting conifers and seemingly attempting to turn natural areas into monocultures resembling a Weyerhaeuser tree farm. You can see this in Three Forks, Chinook Bend, all over the
place and even dare I say Capehart. I believe that all the Native NW deciduous trees including, Ash, Alder, Maple and Cottonwood and Birch as well as non-deciduous Madronas are more valuable for the wildlife that is most in the crosshairs, such as neotropical
insectivorous birds, than are the Conifers.? I am not credentialed in the least in Botany, Wildlife Biology or Ecology, so take this as an opinion. However, although? I'm not sure it's fair to drag someone in here, I believe Doc (Dennis) Paulson has expressed
this view or something similar and that may be where my conviction originated.<br>
That said, thanks Connie for all you have done for the Montlake Fill, oops, I mean Union Bay and thanks for this latest heads-up.<br>
Cheers,<br>
Ed Newbold<br>
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:39:51 -0700<br>
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First short hike at Deer Lagoon, Whidbey Island, since knee replacement. Was surprised to see 6 white pelicans on the estuarine side very near the raised trail bed. They were working as a group in the floating Ulva algae scaring up and catching sculpins(probably
staghorn sculpin).<br>
100s of yellow rump warblers in alder grove along the walkway leading to the lagoon.<br>
David armstrong<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 15:11:18 -0700<br>
From: Martha Jordan <mj.cygnus@gmail.com><br>
To: Tweeters <tweeters@u.washington.edu><br>
Subject: [Tweeters] Bob Heirman Wildlife Park<br>
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I stopped by the Bob Heirman Wildlife Park today (south of Snohomish) park<br>
today. The road is getting worse and it isn't even winter yet. Water on the<br>
roadway from hillside runoff and some muddy areas.<br>
Meanwhile, the lake is low with lots of mud shoreline. The American<br>
Crows heralded me down the unkempt channel ridden road to the lake.<br>
Got a lovely serenade from several Greater Yellowlegs, 2 Wilson Snipe,<br>
and Coots along with American Wigeon, Mallard, Gr.Winged Teal and some<br>
ducks too far out for me to see via my binoculars.<br>
It is a good place to see shorebirds for the next few days or until it<br>
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:43:57 -0700<br>
From: Brian Zinke <zinke.pilchuck@gmail.com><br>
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Subject: [Tweeters] Upcoming presentation about Bob Heirman Wildlife<br>
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Hi everyone,<br>
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Please consider yourselves invited to our upcoming program, "Reconnecting<br>
Floodplain to Benefit People, Wildlife, and Salmon ? Snohomish River<br>
Floodplain Restoration at Bob Heirman Wildlife Park." This presentation<br>
will be given by Mike Rustay, a Senior Habitat Specialist with Snohomish<br>
County Department of Conservation and Natural Resources, Surface Water<br>
Management Division.<br>
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This is a free, online presentation on Friday, October 14th at 7pm.<br>
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More details and Zoom registration can be found on our website here:<br>
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Brian Zinke<br>
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phone: (425) 232-6811<br>
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:22:54 -0700<br>
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Subject: [Tweeters] WOS Monthly Meeting, Oct. 3, 7:30 pm, Unexpected<br>
Population Trends in Panamanian Rainforest Birds: Complex Webs<br>
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The Washington Ornithological Society is delighted to invite you to join us on Oct. 3 for the first program of the new season to be held on Zoom (no in-person meeting this month).
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James R. Karr, UW Prof. Emeritus in the School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences, will present the results to date of a long-term study he initiated 55 years ago as a Ph.D. student in a large, protected area of central Panama.??This study, involving multiple
teams of scientists, volunteers, grad students and postdocs over a 44-year period, was recently reported in an article published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.??Prof. Karr will talk about the study?s results, including the sometimes
surprising patterns they observed.??His talk will also feature photos of the many furtive understory birds captured with ground-level mist nets over the course of the study.<br>
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When???Monday, Oct. 3, 7:30 pm (sign-in begins at 7:15 pm)<br>
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WOS Monthly Meetings remain open to all as we continue to welcome the wider birding community to join us online.<br>
For login information, go to <a href="http://wos.org/about-wos/monthly-meetings/.??" data-auth="NotApplicable">
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While there, if you are not yet a member of WOS, I hope you will consider becoming one.<br>
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Please join us!<br>
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Vicki King<br>
WOS Program Coordinator<br>
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 10:16:46 -0700<br>
From: Margee Cooper <margeecooper@gmail.com><br>
To: tweeters@u.washington.edu<br>
Subject: [Tweeters] Egrets in Longview<br>
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Just spotted 7 Egrets across the canal in my backyard in west Longview<br>
between Finch and Pacific Way. They are just resting in the trees currently.<br>
SO much joy!<br>
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