<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">From Birds of the World online, in Red-shouldered Hawk account:</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">"</font><span style="font-size:large;color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">Bare Skin On Head And Neck</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">At hatching, cere pale. Immature greenish yellow. Adult bright yellow</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif"> (</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;box-sizing:inherit"><a href="https://birdsoftheworld-org.access-proxy.sno-isle.org/bow/species/reshaw/cur/references#REF65069" aria-controls="ART716571-REF65069-1" style="color:rgb(0,112,179);box-sizing:inherit;text-decoration-style:solid;text-decoration-color:rgba(0,112,179,0.25);background-color:transparent" target="_blank">Palmer 1988h</a></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Oxygen,Ubuntu,Cantarell,"Fira Sans","Droid Sans","Helvetica Neue",sans-serif">).</span>"</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">I found no other reference to cere color in the account there.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">All of the images there, including images of downy Red-shouldered Hawk chicks in the nest, show yellow or light yellow ceres.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">There are illustrations in Peter Pyle's Identification Guide to North American Birds Part II for tail feathers of Red-tailed Hawks (p. 446, Figure 333) and for Red-shouldered Hawks (p. 428, Figure 319). The tail feathers of the question bird fairly well match those of "typical juvenile Red-tailed Hawk". Illustrations for Red-shouldered Hawk tail feathers show light bands narrower than dark bands, and a distinctly wider dark subterminal band.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">I don't claim these things rule out this being a Red-shouldered Hawk, but that's how it seems to me based on how I see the posted photograph and what I've read and viewed today in BotW, Pyle, Wheeler, Clark, Sibley, Peterson, Stokes, Brinkley, Dunn, Kauffman, and Ligouri. None of those Red-shouldered accounts mentions the lack of a yellow cere, some mention it as always present, and all images and illustrations show and depict it.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">When my wife and I found a Red-shouldered Hawk here in Yakima County on December 30, 2012, the first thing I'd noticed about the bird's plumage, and mentioned aloud to my wife, was the distinct tail pattern -- not quite right for a Red-tailed Hawk. It matches the images and description in Pyle. It also shows a yellow cere (seemingly necessary, but not sufficient). When a local expert went to see the bird, he told those with him that I'd misidentified the Red-shouldered Hawk, and said it was actually a Broad-winged Hawk. Once he heard the call, he realized my identification was correct. </font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/58148027@N07/8397220142/in/datetaken/" target="_blank">https://www.flickr.com/photos/58148027@N07/8397220142/in/datetaken/</a><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">At the time of my find, Bill Clark, the raptor expert and author, responded to my email, promptly confirming it as a Red-shouldered Hawk, congratulating me, and noting it as the California elegans subspecies. Perhaps a query to Bill Clark</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><a href="http://www.globalraptors.org/grin/ResearcherResults.asp?lresID=155">http://www.globalraptors.org/grin/ResearcherResults.asp?lresID=155</a><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">or a similar expert would elicit helpful identification thoughts based on the posted photo of the raptor Burt Cunningham and his wife saw at Fir Island:</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_pics/51931777507/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_pics/51931777507/</a></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">I've not delved into whether its bare parts and plumage could match that of Broad-winged Hawk or any other.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">Good Birding,</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">Kevin Lucas</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4">Yakima, WA</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><a href="https://www.aba.org/aba-code-of-birding-ethics/" target="_blank">https://www.aba.org/aba-code-of-birding-ethics/</a><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><b><font size="6"><span style="color:rgb(95,99,104);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif">Qui tacet consentire</span><span style="color:rgb(77,81,86);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif"> videtur</span></font></b></div><div><b><font size="6"><span style="color:rgb(77,81,86);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif"><br></span></font></b></div><div><b><font size="6"><span style="color:rgb(77,81,86);font-family:Roboto,arial,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I apologize for typos and such.</span><br></span></font></b></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 1:53 PM Jeff Gilligan <<a href="mailto:jeffgilligan10@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffgilligan10@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I think we can eliminate the yellow sere or lack of it, as being an important ID factor. For example, see this immature Red-tailed Hawk has an obvious yellow sere: <a href="https://www.audubon.org/magazine/fall-2016/six-quick-questions-help-you-identify-red-tailed" target="_blank">https://www.audubon.org/magazine/fall-2016/six-quick-questions-help-you-identify-red-tailed</a><div><br></div><div>A qyuick answer, without a leading question, from a very good Santa Barbara birder was that it is an immature Red-shouldered. He wasn’t committed to that as positive though. He has Red-sholudered Hawks that nest behind hs house.</div><div><br></div><div>Jeff Gilligan</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 12, 2022, at 9:24 AM, J. Acker <<a href="mailto:Owler@sounddsl.com" target="_blank">Owler@sounddsl.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal">I’m not so sure about imm Red-Shouldered. This bird appears to be a buteo, and a chunky one. Red shoulders are more slender / less bulky looking. Also the number and width of the tail bars is not matching up with the photos I have viewed online of red-shouldered. Additionally, the cere should be yellowish in a red-shouldered and this photo has an all dark bill and cere.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal">But I am confused as to what this bird is also.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">J. Acker</span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:Owler@sounddsl.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Owler@sounddsl.com</span></a><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Bainbridge Island, WA<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Sent from<span> </span></span><a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Mail</span></a><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span> </span>for Windows<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal"><u></u> <u></u></span><b style="font-size:11pt">From: </b><a href="mailto:burtc_8@msn.com" style="font-size:11pt;color:blue" target="_blank">BURT CUNNINGHAM</a></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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