<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I think these two photos are illustrative. (Not surprisingly perhaps, there aren’t many photos on-line showing only the backs of immature buteos.). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="" style="text-decoration: underline; -webkit-font-kerning: none;"><a href="https://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/photocontest/detail/an-immature-red-shouldered-hawk/" class="">https://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/photocontest/detail/an-immature-red-shouldered-hawk/</a></span></div><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 13px;"><span class="" style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"></span><br class=""></div><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="" style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"><a href="https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2015/07/14/juvenile-red-tailed-hawk-in-flight-and-perched/" class="">https://www.featheredphotography.com/blog/2015/07/14/juvenile-red-tailed-hawk-in-flight-and-perched/</a></span></div></div><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Fir Island bird: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/2n82Wbg" class="">https://flic.kr/p/2n82Wbg</a></div><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">On the Fir Island bird, the individual feathers on the back are boldly patterned in white and brown in alternating bands, like the photo of the immature Red-shouldered Hawk in the photo above. In contrast, the immature Red-tailed Hawk has pale edges to feathers, with the rest of the individual feathers being rather plain, without bands of white and brown. The pale edges of feathers on the immature Red-tailed Hawk form the typical “V” pattern on the back side (scapulars) of sitting bird, unlike the Fir Island bird. </div><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: initial; margin: 0px; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-stroke-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 12, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Steve Hampton <<a href="mailto:stevechampton@GMAIL.COM" class="">stevechampton@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:#073763">Interesting photograph. I lean toward Red-tailed Hawk based on:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large;color:#073763"><ul class=""><li class="">yellow iris </li><li class="">the size of the eye relative to the bill and head </li><li class="">number of tail bars (at least 7)</li><li class="">the tail bars are of mostly uniform width (on Red-sh the distal bars seem to get thicker) </li></ul><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 1:53 PM Jeff Gilligan <<a href="mailto:jeffgilligan10@gmail.com" class="">jeffgilligan10@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class="">I think we can eliminate the yellow sere or lack of it, as being an important ID factor. For example, see this immature Red-tailed Hawk has an obvious yellow sere: <a href="https://www.audubon.org/magazine/fall-2016/six-quick-questions-help-you-identify-red-tailed" target="_blank" class="">https://www.audubon.org/magazine/fall-2016/six-quick-questions-help-you-identify-red-tailed</a><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A quick answer, without a leading question, from a very good Santa Barbara birder was that it is an immature Red-shouldered. He wasn’t committed to that as positive though. He has Red-Shouldered Hawks that nest behind hs house.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jeff Gilligan</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 12, 2022, at 9:24 AM, J. Acker <<a href="mailto:Owler@sounddsl.com" target="_blank" class="">Owler@sounddsl.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal" class="">I’m not so sure about imm Red-Shouldered. This bird appears to be a buteo, and a chunky one. Red shoulders are more slender / less bulky looking. Also the number and width of the tail bars is not matching up with the photos I have viewed online of red-shouldered. Additionally, the cere should be yellowish in a red-shouldered and this photo has an all dark bill and cere.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal" class="">But I am confused as to what this bird is also.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" class="">J. 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