<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I think we can eliminate the yellow sere or lack of it, as being an important ID factor. For example, see this immature Red-tailed Hawk has an obvious yellow sere: <a href="https://www.audubon.org/magazine/fall-2016/six-quick-questions-help-you-identify-red-tailed" class="">https://www.audubon.org/magazine/fall-2016/six-quick-questions-help-you-identify-red-tailed</a><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A qyuick answer, without a leading question, from a very good Santa Barbara birder was that it is an immature Red-shouldered. He wasn’t committed to that as positive though. He has Red-sholudered Hawks that nest behind hs house.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jeff Gilligan</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 12, 2022, at 9:24 AM, J. Acker <<a href="mailto:Owler@sounddsl.com" class="">Owler@sounddsl.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="DefaultFontHxMailStyle" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: windowtext; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal;">I’m not so sure about imm Red-Shouldered. This bird appears to be a buteo, and a chunky one. Red shoulders are more slender / less bulky looking. Also the number and width of the tail bars is not matching up with the photos I have viewed online of red-shouldered. Additionally, the cere should be yellowish in a red-shouldered and this photo has an all dark bill and cere.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="DefaultFontHxMailStyle" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: windowtext; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal;">But I am confused as to what this bird is also.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="DefaultFontHxMailStyle" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: windowtext; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">J. Acker</span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:Owler@sounddsl.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Owler@sounddsl.com</span></a><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Bainbridge Island, WA<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Sent from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Mail</span></a><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>for Windows<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="DefaultFontHxMailStyle" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: windowtext; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span><b class="" style="font-size: 11pt;">From: </b><a href="mailto:burtc_8@msn.com" class="" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue;">BURT CUNNINGHAM</a></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></body></html>