<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">the immature Red-shouldered Hawk in this link has no apparent yellow on the cere. <a href="https://bigyear.reporternews.com/2019/08/10/red-shouldered-hawk/" class="">https://bigyear.reporternews.com/2019/08/10/red-shouldered-hawk/</a><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:44 PM, Jeff Gilligan <<a href="mailto:jeffgilligan10@gmail.com" class="">jeffgilligan10@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Well…this one has very little if any yellow on the cere. <a href="https://www.pinterest.com/pin/541839398893976983/" class="">https://www.pinterest.com/pin/541839398893976983/</a><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:41 PM, Jeff Gilligan <<a href="mailto:jeffgilligan10@gmail.com" class="">jeffgilligan10@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">You are probably on to something regarding the cere. In my quick looks on-line, I don’t see any Red-shouldered Hawks without yellow on the cere either. Maybe there will be other photos of the bird.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jeff</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:37 PM, Peggy Mundy <<a href="mailto:peggy_busby@yahoo.com" class="">peggy_busby@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div class="ydpac1c0e97yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">The OP bird doesn't show any yellow on the beak (cere, if I were talking parakeets), which red-shouldered hawks seem to have, even in immature birds from photos I'm seeing online.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">I'm still leaning toward red-tailed hawk -- our most common Buteo (and quite diverse in its appearance).</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" class="">Peggy Mundy</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="ydpac1c0e97signature"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=""><br class=""></div></div></div>
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On Friday, March 11, 2022, 08:22:04 p.m. PST, Jeff Gilligan <<a href="mailto:jeffgilligan10@gmail.com" class="">jeffgilligan10@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<div class=""><div id="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239" class=""><div class=""><a shape="rect" href="https://pixels.com/featured/5-red-shouldered-hawk-david-campione.html" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://pixels.com/featured/5-red-shouldered-hawk-david-campione.html</a><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"></div><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"></div><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"></div><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"></div><div id="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239yqt29180" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239yqt3111930453"><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239">On Mar 11, 2022, at 8:24 PM, Zora Monster <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:zoramon@mac.com" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">zoramon@mac.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div id="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239yqt55959" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239yqt3111930453"><div class=""><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239">The banding on the tail seems to narrow for a red-shouldered, and the length of the tail doesn’t seem long enough to me. I believe this is a juvenile dark-morph red-tailed hawk.<div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"></div><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239">Respectfully,</div><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239">Zora Dermer</div><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239">Seattle<br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><div dir="ltr" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><blockquote type="cite" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239">On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:15 PM, Jeff Gilligan <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:jeffgilligan10@gmail.com" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jeffgilligan10@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><div dir="ltr" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div class="">The Audubon map is far out of date. I remember from the 1960s while birding with Harry Nehls and a friend that we walked up on a very approachable immature Red-shouldered Hawk on Sauvie’s Island (in the Columbia River). About that time it was questioned if the Oregon birds had been escapees from captivity. (That happens a lot until it is realized that a species is getting or got to a location on its own.). We were stunned because other than a few sightngs on the far southern Oregon Coast (Curry County), the species had not been reported in Oregon since the 1800s near Burns by Bendire. Now of course they are very common in southern Oregon, particularly on the coast, and have been regular in NW Oregon and far SW Washington for years. I have seen several in Pacific County, WA, but they are more numerous on the Oregon side of the river. I am still hoping for a Red-shouldered Hawk on my yard list at Willapa Bay. I only have seen two buteos in the yard, oddly one being a adult Broad-winged Hawk. I am guessing that the Fir Island bird was quite approachable, which Red-shouldered Hawks are often, whereas Red-tailed Hawks always seem wary to me.<div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"></div><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239">Jeff</div><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"></div><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"></div><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><blockquote type="cite" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239"><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239">On Mar 11, 2022, at 8:01 PM, THOMAS BENEDICT <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:benedict.t@comcast.net" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">benedict.t@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239">
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<span style="font-family:tahoma;font-size:11pt;" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239">I think Jeff may be correct. Look at this photo at <a shape="rect" href="http://audubon.org/" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">audubon.org</a> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/red-shouldered-hawk#photo5" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/red-shouldered-hawk#photo5</a></span>
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On 03/11/2022 6:53 PM Jeff Gilligan <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:jeffgilligan10@gmail.com" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jeffgilligan10@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:48 PM, THOMAS BENEDICT <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:benedict.t@comcast.net" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">benedict.t@comcast.net</a>> wrote:
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It's hard to tell size from the photo. Do you think it was Sharp-shinned hawk size or more like Red-tail Hawk size? Did you happen to see it fly? A description of its underside and front would be helpful.
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On 03/11/2022 6:27 PM BURT CUNNINGHAM <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:burtc_8@msn.com" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">burtc_8@msn.com</a>> wrote:
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My wife and I went for a ride around Fir Island and got a picture of this Hawk. <a shape="rect" href="https://flic.kr/p/2n82Wbg" class="ydp4ee34fafyiv7670440239" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://flic.kr/p/2n82Wbg</a>
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We were not able to decide what it was. Please help.
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