From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Nov 1 09:41:19 2025 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Ellen Cohen via Tweeters) Date: Sat Nov 1 09:41:24 2025 Subject: [Tweeters] East coast common cuckoo References: <347084271.2400665.1762015279015.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <347084271.2400665.1762015279015@mail.yahoo.com> A Rare Visitor to Long Island Is Driving Birders Cuckoo | | | | | | | | | | | A Rare Visitor to Long Island Is Driving Birders Cuckoo A common cuckoo, a species native to Europe and Asia, made several recent appearances in Riverhead, N.Y. The bir... | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Nov 2 02:37:18 2025 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sun Nov 2 02:37:23 2025 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?Article_from_2019-_Note_comparison_to_one_pa?= =?utf-8?q?rt_of_next_article-=E2=80=9CDespite_habitat_protection=2C_endan?= =?utf-8?q?gered_owls_decline_in_Mount_Rainier_National_Park=E2=80=9D?= Message-ID: <18A100E6-2288-4202-A482-80B356E9D97C@gmail.com> https://phys.org/news/2019-08-habitat-endangered-owls-decline-mount.html Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Nov 2 05:35:02 2025 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sun Nov 2 05:35:27 2025 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?=28DR=3A_The_political_illustrations_are_not?= =?utf-8?q?able=29=E2=80=94-=22Kill_the_barred_owls!agree_U=2ES=2E_Senate_?= =?utf-8?q?Democrats_with_Republicans=E2=80=9D_-_Animals_24-7?= Message-ID: <033B1525-6DA4-4DAA-BC67-F429C944633E@gmail.com> Tweeters, I found this current article to be an interesting read. The political illustrations are notable. A past five year program covering the area below Blewett Pass resulted in what I found to be observable signs of success. Please understand that just because I post an article doesn?t mean that I agree with the content or opinions. To view other current articles from other sources, Google some of the key words of this Subject line. Steve Hampton also wrote a past, thoughtful article regarding the controversies regarding eliminating some Barred Owls in carefully selected locations. Dan Reiff, PhD https://www.animals24-7.org/2025/10/30/kill-the-barred-owls-agree-u-s-senate-democrats-with-republicans/ Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Nov 2 07:00:24 2025 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Steve Hampton via Tweeters) Date: Sun Nov 2 07:00:39 2025 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?=28DR=3A_The_political_illustrations_are_not?= =?utf-8?q?able=29=E2=80=94-=22Kill_the_barred_owls!agree_U=2ES=2E_?= =?utf-8?q?Senate_Democrats_with_Republicans=E2=80=9D_-_Animals_24-?= =?utf-8?q?7?= In-Reply-To: <033B1525-6DA4-4DAA-BC67-F429C944633E@gmail.com> References: <033B1525-6DA4-4DAA-BC67-F429C944633E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Dan, for sharing this. It's a bit of a bizarre article, positing that saving Spotted Owls will allow more logging. I didn't follow the logic. But the larger issue is the widespread assumption that this is a budgeted plan with an allocation of millions of dollars. In fact, all along the "plan" is nothing more than a permit (a "take permit" from the USFWS under certain conditions) -- it comes with no budget, no staffing, and needs volunteer donation of staff time from other agencies to be implemented. In short, it will never be implemented in a widespread way. I described this in my Post Alley article here: *No, They?re not Really Going to Shoot 450,000 Owls * Things got wonkier this summer when a Texas Republican identified the project as wasteful government spending - even though it had a budget of $0 - and went on a crusade against it, which was picked up by right-wing media. This was during the DOGE era. Then the legislator and the right-wing media started citing each other. It was an example of bad math, bad legislative staff work, and bad journalism. He was just using it to blow his horn. I explained that here: *The bad owl math that haunts us* Now it seems that Dems and Reps have simply let the permit stand, with a budget of zero, and are leaving it alone. To my knowledge, the only place where owl removal has occurred is in northern California, where the Barred Owl expansion is still young and many Spotted Owls still remain. I've not heard that any agencies - federal, state, local, or tribal - in WA have participated in it yet. On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 5:35?AM Dan Reiff via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Tweeters, > I found this current article to be an interesting read. > The political illustrations are notable. > > A past five year program covering the area below Blewett Pass resulted in > what I found to be observable signs of success. > > Please understand that just because I post an article doesn?t mean that I > agree with the content or opinions. > > To view other current articles from other sources, Google some of the key > words of this Subject line. > Steve Hampton also wrote a past, thoughtful article regarding the > controversies regarding eliminating some Barred Owls in carefully selected > locations. > Dan Reiff, PhD > > > https://www.animals24-7.org/2025/10/30/kill-the-barred-owls-agree-u-s-senate-democrats-with-republicans/ > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- Steve Hampton Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Nov 2 07:16:34 2025 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Louise via Tweeters) Date: Sun Nov 2 07:17:05 2025 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?=28DR=3A_The_political_illustrations_are_not?= =?utf-8?q?able=29=E2=80=94-=22Kill_the_barred_owls!agree_U=2ES=2E_?= =?utf-8?q?Senate_Democrats_with_Republicans=E2=80=9D_-_Animals_24-?= =?utf-8?q?7?= In-Reply-To: References: <033B1525-6DA4-4DAA-BC67-F429C944633E@gmail.com> Message-ID: The logging industry is in fact participating in the campaign to stop the shooting of barred owls - probably because if spotted owls become extinct, one of the must publicised reasons for protecting certain area of forest will also disappear. Louise Rutter Kirkland On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 7:01?AM Steve Hampton via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Thanks, Dan, for sharing this. It's a bit of a bizarre article, positing > that saving Spotted Owls will allow more logging. I didn't follow the > logic. > > But the larger issue is the widespread assumption that this is a budgeted > plan with an allocation of millions of dollars. In fact, all along the > "plan" is nothing more than a permit (a "take permit" from the USFWS under > certain conditions) -- it comes with no budget, no staffing, and needs > volunteer donation of staff time from other agencies to be implemented. In > short, it will never be implemented in a widespread way. I described this > in my Post Alley article here: > > *No, They?re not Really Going to Shoot 450,000 Owls > * > > Things got wonkier this summer when a Texas Republican identified the > project as wasteful government spending - even though it had a budget of $0 > - and went on a crusade against it, which was picked up by right-wing > media. This was during the DOGE era. Then the legislator and the right-wing > media started citing each other. It was an example of bad math, bad > legislative staff work, and bad journalism. He was just using it to blow > his horn. I explained that here: > *The bad owl math that haunts us* > > > Now it seems that Dems and Reps have simply let the permit stand, with a > budget of zero, and are leaving it alone. > > To my knowledge, the only place where owl removal has occurred is in > northern California, where the Barred Owl expansion is still young and many > Spotted Owls still remain. I've not heard that any agencies - federal, > state, local, or tribal - in WA have participated in it yet. > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 5:35?AM Dan Reiff via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> Tweeters, >> I found this current article to be an interesting read. >> The political illustrations are notable. >> >> A past five year program covering the area below Blewett Pass resulted >> in what I found to be observable signs of success. >> >> Please understand that just because I post an article doesn?t mean that I >> agree with the content or opinions. >> >> To view other current articles from other sources, Google some of the key >> words of this Subject line. >> Steve Hampton also wrote a past, thoughtful article regarding the >> controversies regarding eliminating some Barred Owls in carefully selected >> locations. >> Dan Reiff, PhD >> >> >> https://www.animals24-7.org/2025/10/30/kill-the-barred-owls-agree-u-s-senate-democrats-with-republicans/ >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > > > -- > Steve Hampton > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Nov 2 13:09:38 2025 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Diann MacRae via Tweeters) Date: Sun Nov 2 13:09:42 2025 Subject: [Tweeters] turkey vultures Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Nov 2 20:39:36 2025 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Kim Thorburn via Tweeters) Date: Sun Nov 2 20:39:40 2025 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?=28DR=3A_The_political_illustrations_are_not?= =?utf-8?q?able=29=E2=80=94-=22Kill_the_barred_owls!agree_U=2ES=2E_Senate_?= =?utf-8?q?Democrats_with_Republicans=E2=80=9D_-_Animals_24-7?= In-Reply-To: References: <033B1525-6DA4-4DAA-BC67-F429C944633E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I believe that Washington just adopted a recovery plan during its periodic status review of the spotted owl this year. The plan involves introduction of captive-bred or translocated spotted owls to identified healthy habitat territories and then barred owl management for their protection. As far as I know, there have been no introductions yet. Kim Kim Marie Thorburn, MD, MPH Spokane, WA (509) 465-3025 home (509) 599-6721 cell ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Steve Hampton via Tweeters Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2025 7:00 AM To: TWEETERS tweeters Subject: Re: [Tweeters] (DR: The political illustrations are notable)?-"Kill the barred owls!agree U.S. Senate Democrats with Republicans? - Animals 24-7 Thanks, Dan, for sharing this. It's a bit of a bizarre article, positing that saving Spotted Owls will allow more logging. I didn't follow the logic. But the larger issue is the widespread assumption that this is a budgeted plan with an allocation of millions of dollars. In fact, all along the "plan" is nothing more than a permit (a "take permit" from the USFWS under certain conditions) -- it comes with no budget, no staffing, and needs volunteer donation of staff time from other agencies to be implemented. In short, it will never be implemented in a widespread way. I described this in my Post Alley article here: No, They?re not Really Going to Shoot 450,000 Owls Things got wonkier this summer when a Texas Republican identified the project as wasteful government spending - even though it had a budget of $0 - and went on a crusade against it, which was picked up by right-wing media. This was during the DOGE era. Then the legislator and the right-wing media started citing each other. It was an example of bad math, bad legislative staff work, and bad journalism. He was just using it to blow his horn. I explained that here: The bad owl math that haunts us Now it seems that Dems and Reps have simply let the permit stand, with a budget of zero, and are leaving it alone. To my knowledge, the only place where owl removal has occurred is in northern California, where the Barred Owl expansion is still young and many Spotted Owls still remain. I've not heard that any agencies - federal, state, local, or tribal - in WA have participated in it yet. On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 5:35?AM Dan Reiff via Tweeters > wrote: Tweeters, I found this current article to be an interesting read. The political illustrations are notable. A past five year program covering the area below Blewett Pass resulted in what I found to be observable signs of success. Please understand that just because I post an article doesn?t mean that I agree with the content or opinions. To view other current articles from other sources, Google some of the key words of this Subject line. Steve Hampton also wrote a past, thoughtful article regarding the controversies regarding eliminating some Barred Owls in carefully selected locations. Dan Reiff, PhD https://www.animals24-7.org/2025/10/30/kill-the-barred-owls-agree-u-s-senate-democrats-with-republicans/ Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -- Steve Hampton Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Nov 3 19:47:25 2025 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Tom Benedict via Tweeters) Date: Mon Nov 3 19:47:40 2025 Subject: [Tweeters] Peak Migration for Canada Geese over King County Message-ID: This morning around 9 AM I heard geese calling from very high overhead. I scanned the sky and found a line of Canada Goose, I believe, headed south over Burien, WA. There were about 35 or 40 and were pretty large. Given their altitude, I think it?s unlikely they are members of the local population.I guess this is the right time for CANG migration. Tom Benedict Seahurst, WA From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Nov 4 06:18:44 2025 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Matt Bartels via Tweeters) Date: Tue Nov 4 06:18:59 2025 Subject: [Tweeters] Washington Bird Records Committee recent decisions (Oct 25, 2025 meeting) Message-ID: Happy to report that the results of the Fall meeting of the Washington Bird Records Committee are now in and the files on the WOS website are all updated with our more recent decisions. As always happens with our Fall meeting, many of the fall vagrants chose to visit the state as soon as we wrapped up the packet for review - Next Spring?s meeting will take on exciting recent finds like that Yellow-green Vireo Little Blue Heron[s], and more. Results from the meeting are here [https://wos.org/records/votingsummary/fall-2025/] and are are copied below. All the WBRC results are available along with the updated state checklist and more at: https://wos.org/records/ A summary of our results: ? 22 reports were accepted as valid new records. ? 1 additional record was accepted as a continuing sighting of a record previously accepted at an earlier meeting. ? 12 reports were not accepted. In addition, a change to our state list come from taxonomic updates by the American Birding Association Checklist Committee this year: ? Vega Gull was split from Herring Gull, adding one species to the state list based on 4 previously accepted records. Finally, the state list is updated to incorporate a few name changes that don?t affect the number of species on the list: ? Herring Gull was split, with WA records all assigned to American Herring Gull, except for the previously mentioned Vega Gull records. ? Warbling Vireo was split, with WA records all assigned to Western Warbling Vireo. The state checklist is now at 529 species, including 516 species fully accredited (supported by specimen, photograph, or recording) and 13 species which are sight-only records (supported only by written documentation). Reports reviewed this meeting: Key: Votes in parentheses (# accepted ? # not accepted ? # abstain) [Notations: p=photo, v = video, a = audio, s = sketch] ACCEPTED RECORDS: COHU-2025-1, Costa's Hummingbird ? 30 June 2025, Montana St., Wenatchee, Chelan County. Neil Paprocki [w, p] (7-0-0). UPSA-2025-1, Upland Sandpiper ? 11-12 September 2025, Cedar River Mouth, Renton, King County. Eric Hope [w, p], Raphael Fennimore [w, p, v,a], Tom Bancroft [p], Sam Hogenson [p], Tom O'callahan [p], Neil Pankey [p], John Puschock [p] (7-0-0). RNST-2025-1, Red-necked Stint ? 7 September 2025, Cedar River Mouth, Renton, King County. Eric Hope [w, p], Liam Hutcheson [w, p], Russ Koppendrayer [p], Sarah Peden [p], Jordan Roderick [p], Maxine Reid [p], Asta Tobiassen [p] (7-0-0). CRAU-2025-1, Crested Auklet ? 8 June 2025, Discovery Park, Seattle, King County. Matt Dufort [w, p], Jason Vassallo [w, p], Greg Harrington [p], Spencer Hildie [p, v] (7-0-0). [Second state record] LIGU-2025-1, Little Gull ? 13 May 2025, Sand Island NA, Grays Harbor County. Liam Hutcheson [w, p] (7-0-0). LIGU-2025-2, Little Gull ? 14 September 2025, Carkeek Park, Seattle, King County. Ryan Merrill [w] (7-0-0). LETE-2025-1, Least Tern ? 23-24 June 2025, Casey Pond, McNary NWR, Walla Walla County. Phil Bartley [w, p], Jef Blake [w, p], MerryLynn Denny [w], Vic Hubbard [w, p], Liam Hutcheson [w, p, a] , Bonnie Roemer [w, p], Christopher Lindsey [p], Darchelle Worley [p] (7-0-0). RFBO-2025-1, Red-footed Booby ? 31 August 2025, Smith Island, Island County. Daniel Donnecke [p], Stuart Immonen [p] (7-0-0). CRCA-1985-1, Crested Caracara ? 26-27 October 1985, Detour/McDonald Rd., Walla Walla County. Mike & MerryLynn Denny [w] (7-0-0). YBFL-2025-1, Yellow-bellied Flycatcher ? 24 August 2025, Bassett Park, Washtucna, Adams County. Alexander Sowers [w, p] (7-0-0). [Second state record] ALFL-2025-1, Alder Flycatcher ? 15-21 June 2025, Cassimer Bar Wildlife Area, Brewster, Okanogan County. Matthew Danielson [w, a] Greg Harrington [w, p, a], Liam Hutcheson [w, p, a], Logan Parr [w, p, a], Brian Pendleton & Darchelle Worley [w, p, v, a] (7-0-0). EAPH-2025-2, Eastern Phoebe ? 29 August 2025, Deception Pass SP, Skagit County. Asher Fusco [w, p] (7-0-0). WIWR-2025-1, Winter Wren ? 24 September 2025, Carkeek Park, Seattle, King County. Ryan J Merrill [w, a] (7-0-0). OROR-2024-3, Orchard Oriole ? 22 October 2024, Neah Bay, Clallam County. Jordan Gunn [p], Steve Hampton [p] (7-0-0). HOOR-2025-1, Hooded Oriole ? 6-7 September 2025, Hobuck Beach, Neah Bay, Clallam County. Jordan Gunn [p], Garrett Hughes [p], Liam Hutcheson [p], Ryan Merrill [p], Brad Waggoner [p], Dan Waggoner [p], Kevin Waggoner [p] (7-0-0). GTGR-2025-2, Great-tailed Grackle ? 31 May 2025, Steigerwald NWR, Clark County. Cindy Merrill [w, p] (7-0-0). GTGR-2025-3, Great-tailed Grackle ? 6 June 2025, Kartchner St. x Hwy 395, Pasco, Franklin County. Jef Blake [w, p], Kameron Lantor [w], Mason Maron [w, p], Grant Brandberg [p], DeQuan Flight-Robertson [p], Liam Hutcheson [p] (7-0-0). GTGR-2025-4, Great-tailed Grackle ? 7 June 2025, Bay Center, Pacific County. Rachel Winslow [w. p] (7-0-0). OVEN-2025-1, Ovenbird ? 29 April 2025, Yakima, Yakima County. Karen Zook [w, p] (7-0-0). NOPA-2025-1, Northern Parula [2] ? 31 July - 9 September 2025, Lyons Ferry SP, Franklin County. Jef Blake [w, p], Mary Cantrell [w, p], Jason Fidorra [w, p], Liam Hutcheson [p, a], Christopher Lindsey [p], Bonnie Roemer [p] (7-0-0). BLBW-2025-1, Blackburnian Warbler ? 26 September 2025, Olympic Discovery Trail, Port Angeles, Clallam County. Roger Hoffman [w, p] (7-0-0). INBU-2025-2, Indigo Bunting ? 31 May 2025, Wenas Lake, Yakima County. Becky Kent [w], Russ Koppendrayer [w] (6-1-0). RECORDS ACCEPTED AS CONTINUING SIGHTINGS OF PREVIOUSLY-ACCEPTED RECORDS: Lesser Nighthawk ? The committee agreed that the May - June 2025 record of a Lesser Nighthawk in Kittitas County (formerly treated as LENI-2025-1) is best treated as a returning instance of LENI-2024-1. The two records are merged and treated as LENI-2024-1. Dates and observation info for May - June 2025 occurrence: 21 May - 20 June 2025, Getty's Cove, Vantage, Kittitas County. Jef Blake [p], Liam Hutcheson [p], Dave Swayne [p], Darchelle Worley [p] (7-0-0). REPORTS NOT ACCEPTED: BARG-2025-1, Barnacle Goose ? 21-22 May 2025, Thea Foss Waterway Public Esplanade, Tacoma, Pierce County (0-7-0). GRKN-2025-1, Great Knot ? 12 July 2025, Tyson Blood Ponds, Walla Walla County (0-7-0). COMG-1988-1, Common Greenshank ? 10 January 1988, Nahcotta Fish & Wildlife Field Station, Pacific County (0-7-0). LIGU-2025-3, Little Gull ? 14 September 2025, Charles Richey Sr. Viewpoint, West Seattle, King County (0-7-0). LAGU-2025-1, Laughing Gull ? 26 June 2025, Seahurst Park, Burien, King County (3-4-0). LETE-2025-2, Least Tern [3] ? 6 July 2025, Toothaker HMU, Riek Rd., Benton County (0-7-0). STSE-2025-1, Steller's Sea-Eagle ? 30 May 2025, near Chinook, Pacific County (0-7-0). HAHA-2025-1, Harris's Hawk ? 16 June - 31 August 2025, Dayton Fishing Pond, Dayton, Columbia County. (ID vote: 7-0-0. Origin vote: 0-7-0). NOTE: ID confirmed, but bird was confirmed as escapee. EAPH-2025-1, Eastern Phoebe ? 28 May 2025, Westside Calispell Road Bridge, Pend Oreille County (0-7-0). SOTH-2025-1, Song Thrush ? 19 July 2025, Sylvan Way, Port Angeles, Clallam County (0-7-0). ORGR-2024-1, Oriental Greenfinch ? 28 December 2024, Columbia Park, Benton County (0-7-0). GTGR-2025-5, Great-tailed Grackle ? 9 & 15 August 2025, Naches Trail, Fredrickson, Pierce County (0-7-0). 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Where? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? - Jim in Skagit From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Nov 4 15:47:53 2025 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Ronda Stark via Tweeters) Date: Tue Nov 4 15:48:10 2025 Subject: [Tweeters] Missing in Action? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jim, The last Osprey flew south about 3 weeks ago. I'm sorry to hear about the SEOW as I was hoping to see them later this week. Unbelievably, we had two of our Trumpeter Swans arrive on Lake Washington today. How many are you seeing up in the Skagit? Ronda On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 10:11?AM Jim Betz via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Hi, > > I've been searching eBird for at least 3 weeks and finding very few > reports of > > Osprey > Short-eared Owl > > I did see my FOF SEOW about 3 weeks ago at the East 90 in Skagit ... but > since then none. And 'none' (that I found) in eBird. (Yes, I've been > out to > the East 90 many times since - and usually in the prime time window for > that location (after 2pm and particularly after 4pm). > > I have always thought that the PNW Osprey stay here thru the winter. > However, many Osprey do migrate long distances South where they are > seen in Mexico and further South. > > Are any of you seeing either species? Where? > - Jim in Skagit > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Nov 4 16:59:12 2025 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Tom Benedict via Tweeters) Date: Tue Nov 4 16:59:27 2025 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?=28DR=3A_The_political_illustrations_are_not?= =?utf-8?q?able=29=E2=80=94-=22Kill_the_barred_owls!agree_U=2ES=2E_Senate_?= =?utf-8?q?Democrats_with_Republicans=E2=80=9D_-_Animals_24-7?= In-Reply-To: References: <033B1525-6DA4-4DAA-BC67-F429C944633E@gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Nov 2, 2025, at 07:16, Louise via Tweeters wrote: > > The logging industry is in fact participating in the campaign to stop the shooting of barred owls - probably because if spotted owls become extinct, one of the must publicised reasons for protecting certain area of forest will also disappear. > > Louise Rutter > Kirkland > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 7:01?AM Steve Hampton via Tweeters > wrote: >> Thanks, Dan, for sharing this. It's a bit of a bizarre article, positing that saving Spotted Owls will allow more logging. I didn't follow the logic. >> >> But the larger issue is the widespread assumption that this is a budgeted plan with an allocation of millions of dollars. In fact, all along the "plan" is nothing more than a permit (a "take permit" from the USFWS under certain conditions) -- it comes with no budget, no staffing, and needs volunteer donation of staff time from other agencies to be implemented. In short, it will never be implemented in a widespread way. I described this in my Post Alley article here: >> >> No, They?re not Really Going to Shoot 450,000 Owls >> >> Things got wonkier this summer when a Texas Republican identified the project as wasteful government spending - even though it had a budget of $0 - and went on a crusade against it, which was picked up by right-wing media. This was during the DOGE era. Then the legislator and the right-wing media started citing each other. It was an example of bad math, bad legislative staff work, and bad journalism. He was just using it to blow his horn. I explained that here: >> The bad owl math that haunts us >> >> Now it seems that Dems and Reps have simply let the permit stand, with a budget of zero, and are leaving it alone. >> >> To my knowledge, the only place where owl removal has occurred is in northern California, where the Barred Owl expansion is still young and many Spotted Owls still remain. I've not heard that any agencies - federal, state, local, or tribal - in WA have participated in it yet. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 5:35?AM Dan Reiff via Tweeters > wrote: >>> Tweeters, >>> I found this current article to be an interesting read. >>> The political illustrations are notable. >>> >>> A past five year program covering the area below Blewett Pass resulted in what I found to be observable signs of success. >>> >>> Please understand that just because I post an article doesn?t mean that I agree with the content or opinions. >>> >>> To view other current articles from other sources, Google some of the key words of this Subject line. >>> Steve Hampton also wrote a past, thoughtful article regarding the controversies regarding eliminating some Barred Owls in carefully selected locations. >>> Dan Reiff, PhD >>> >>> https://www.animals24-7.org/2025/10/30/kill-the-barred-owls-agree-u-s-senate-democrats-with-republicans/ >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tweeters mailing list >>> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> >> >> >> -- >> Steve Hampton >> Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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