[Tweeters] "Washington Birder" listing question

Wilson Cady gorgebirds at juno.com
Tue Jan 8 10:25:16 PST 2013

If we are adding NRAs, shouldn't the Columbia River Gorge NSA (National Scenic Area) also be added? A lot closer for us birders living in southern Washington, and all my yard birds would go one that one. Wilson Cady
Columbia River Gorge, WA

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From: "Wayne Weber" <contopus at telus.net>
To: "TWEETERS" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Cc: KEN KNITTLE <washingtonbirder at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Tweeters] "Washington Birder" listing question
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:38:30 -0800

Gary and Tweeters,

I am one of the few people who have regularly submitted a list for North Cascades National Park to “Washington Birder”. For me, the answer to your question is simple-- the area does NOT include the Ross Lake NRA, which is not part of the park. If it did, my list would be very much longer than it is.

As you say, the only area of North Cascades NP that is easily accessible is the Cascade Pass area, which I have visited only a few times-- mostly in late summer, when there is relatively little bird activity. I’ve always meant to try to get up there when songbirds are still singing, but other plans always seem to take priority. Besides, the road into Cascade Pass is often closed by snow well into early summer. This park is definitely a challenging one to develop a long bird list.

Perhaps we could consider adding a category to WA Birder for the Ross Lake NRA (and also for the Lake Chelan NRA). They are, after all, administered by the Park Service, if not National Parks as such.

Wayne C. Weber
Delta, BC
contopus at telus.net

From: tweeters-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:tweeters-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gary Bletsch
Sent: January-08-13 7:25 AM
To: tweeters tweeters
Subject: [Tweeters] "Washington Birder" listing question

Dear Tweeters,

I think I may have asked this question here before, but here goes.

The categories in the "Washington Birder" listing report sheet include "N Cascades N. P."

I have gone back and forth in my mind, as to whether this includes just the Park, proper, or the two recration areas. I'd love to hear what other
Tweeters think about this--do we consider this a list for the Park, proper, or do we include Ross Lake National Recreation Area and Lake Chelan National Recreation Area as well? Ross Lake NRA in particular includes some excellent birding areas that are easily reached by car--County Line Ponds, Newhalem Ponds, Newhalem itself, Diablo, Colonial Creek Campground, and so forth.

Besides myself, only seven other birders have lists shown on "Washington Birder" for this Park, as of last year. One of those is of course the late Patrick Sullivan, with 107 species. I haven't gotten around to asking Howard Armstrong about his list, which stands at 93. Unlike most birders, Howard has spent enormous amounts of time in the remote areas of the Park, during his climbing days, so his 93 might actually be within the Park itself.

Here is a link to the Park Service's map: http://www.nps.gov/noca/index.htm .

As the map shows, there are very, very few places where the average tourist can get into the Park itself without a hike. Most of those
hikes cross serious mountain terrain. The single easy exception is Cascade Pass, where one can drive right into the Park. One could also take a boat to Stehekin and go up a road from there, leading into the Park. As far as I know, that's it--the rest of the vast Park area can be reached only by a hike--and most of those hikes are long, difficult, wilderness treks. Some of them require a combination of a boat ride and a hike!

Driving up State Highway 20, between Marblemount and Newhalem, there is a big new sign for North Cascades National Park, complete with faux glacier. I'm sure that many visiting birders passing this way assume that they are in the park, but they're actually "only" in the Ross Lake NRA.

Here is a link to the Park's bird checklist:


It is interesting to note that this checklist includes the two Recreation Areas. This seems to answer the question I've posed, but it would be interesting to hear whether Tweeters take the same approach.

If I get some replies to this query, I'd be happy to send back a summary of the results to Tweeters.

Yours truly,

Gary Bletsch

Near Lyman, Washington (Skagit County), USA

garybletsch at yahoo.com

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