[Tweeters] "Washington Birder" listing question

Wayne Weber contopus at telus.net
Tue Jan 8 08:38:30 PST 2013

Gary and Tweeters,

I am one of the few people who have regularly submitted a list for North
Cascades National Park to "Washington Birder". For me, the answer to your
question is simple-- the area does NOT include the Ross Lake NRA, which is
not part of the park. If it did, my list would be very much longer than it

As you say, the only area of North Cascades NP that is easily accessible is
the Cascade Pass area, which I have visited only a few times-- mostly in
late summer, when there is relatively little bird activity. I've always
meant to try to get up there when songbirds are still singing, but other
plans always seem to take priority. Besides, the road into Cascade Pass is
often closed by snow well into early summer. This park is definitely a
challenging one to develop a long bird list.

Perhaps we could consider adding a category to WA Birder for the Ross Lake
NRA (and also for the Lake Chelan NRA). They are, after all, administered
by the Park Service, if not National Parks as such.

Wayne C. Weber

Delta, BC

contopus at telus.net

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[mailto:tweeters-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: January-08-13 7:25 AM
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Subject: [Tweeters] "Washington Birder" listing question

Dear Tweeters,

I think I may have asked this question here before, but here goes.

The categories in the "Washington Birder" listing report sheet include "N
Cascades N. P."

I have gone back and forth in my mind, as to whether this includes just the
Park, proper, or the two recration areas. I'd love to hear what other

Tweeters think about this--do we consider this a list for the Park, proper,
or do we include Ross Lake National Recreation Area and Lake Chelan National
Recreation Area as well? Ross Lake NRA in particular includes some excellent
birding areas that are easily reached by car--County Line Ponds, Newhalem
Ponds, Newhalem itself, Diablo, Colonial Creek Campground, and so forth.

Besides myself, only seven other birders have lists shown on "Washington
Birder" for this Park, as of last year. One of those is of course the late
Patrick Sullivan, with 107 species. I haven't gotten around to asking Howard
Armstrong about his list, which stands at 93. Unlike most birders, Howard
has spent enormous amounts of time in the remote areas of the Park, during
his climbing days, so his 93 might actually be within the Park itself.

Here is a link to the Park Service's map: http://www.nps.gov/noca/index.htm

As the map shows, there are very, very few places where the average tourist
can get into the Park itself without a hike. Most of those

hikes cross serious mountain terrain. The single easy exception is Cascade
Pass, where one can drive right into the Park. One could also take a boat to
Stehekin and go up a road from there, leading into the Park. As far as I
know, that's it--the rest of the vast Park area can be reached only by a
hike--and most of those hikes are long, difficult, wilderness treks. Some of
them require a combination of a boat ride and a hike!

Driving up State Highway 20, between Marblemount and Newhalem, there is a
big new sign for North Cascades National Park, complete with faux glacier.
I'm sure that many visiting birders passing this way assume that they are in
the park, but they're actually "only" in the Ross Lake NRA.

Here is a link to the Park's bird checklist:


It is interesting to note that this checklist includes the two Recreation
Areas. This seems to answer the question I've posed, but it would be
interesting to hear whether Tweeters take the same approach.

If I get some replies to this query, I'd be happy to send back a summary of
the results to Tweeters.

Yours truly,

Gary Bletsch

Near Lyman, Washington (Skagit County), USA

garybletsch at yahoo.com

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